Coronavirus - UK
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Some interesting points raised by this UK talk show host, namely swabs in the post
Host is a Kiwi? His eksent was quite dustinctuve.
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Narrative changing from the BBC
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@sparky Yes hospitalization and deaths are the important issue and whether the ICU’s are being overrun. Not the number of cases. Cause for alarm? Only if you are an alarmist. Damn I am tired of this shit and our response to a virus. We know who is susceptible and they need to take care of themselves instead of the healthy being locked down. It has been a reverse guilt trip on the healthy to have to quarantine because of the fears of those at risk and the other nervous nellies who have bought in to it.
Our kids are not in school in CA despite the fact that 3 kids have died out of 74000 reported cases. And this number is probably only scratching the surface. Do the math and let that sink in. And those children probably had an illness like cancer and were immunocompromised. And if masks are so effective the teachers should be wearing them and acting like the grown ups in the room. And if they have health issues they can teach remotely so kids can socialize and be normal.
Our approach to this virus is myopic and fear driven. Other illnesses are not being txed like cancer, heart disease, stroke, depression, child abuse and spousal abuse (at least here in the states). Down the road I think we will see the collateral damage to people’s health.
Business are failing because our damn governor is looking at cases despite the fact that none of our hospitals are over run. In my area they really never were. Anyway rant over.
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@broughie also, I haven't seen it mentioned much but the lockdowns disproportionately affect young people. Recessions and high unemployment rates will have serious consequences on the generations to come, and when you factor in the effects of this - poverty, increased drug/alcohol abuse, mental health issues etc etc it seems likely they (well we, I'm on the younger side in my 30s) will face a lower quality of life and lower life expectancy overall of this continues.
The question then becomes how much of our future generations lives are we willing to sacrifice for the sake of the elderly and immunocompromised? It doesn't even seem to factor into the decision making, all they talk about are actual lives lost which doesn't tell you even a fraction of the overall picture, especially when many of the people dying are 80+. Do we want to leave the world a better place for future generations or not?
I don't want to come across as heartless, but there has to be a balance, as the overall response so far seems to be extremely emotive rather than a dispassionate analysis of the facts. Jacinda in NZ is a prime example of that.
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It's a farce.
Successive governments and opposition parties giving lip service to nutrition, exercise and healthy lifestyle choices because they're getting backhanders and/or on the boards of multinational food & beverage and pharmaceutical companies are now in cahoots to shut the country down because the recipients of all the shit food and drugs are unhealthier than first feared and are dropping like 9 pins when exposed to COVID-19.
It's a real shame that in the current 'consumer culture' quantity of life is prized more than quality.
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I added up the number of NZers who would be considered vulnerable by NZ Ministry of Health definitions, and it was over half the population. Even accounting for overlap (because some people will have multiple vulnerabilities), it would still likely be a quarter or more.
I'm far too lazy to do the same research for the UK, but it's probably not miles away in terms of percentage of the population of the UK either.
If the plan is to get the restrictions lifted by telling the vulnerable to stay home so everyone else can live a more normal life, the vulnerable percentage is so large that the recession will still be ruinous and all the damaging economic effects on the young will come to pass anyway.
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@Godder It’s when you dig down into the stats and are able to view things in broader scale that the size and multitude of problems become more apparent. It then makes you realise that all the simple “plans” promoted primarily online for combating this thing are worked out on the back of a small envelope.
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@Godder Indeed. Your larger problem here though is the huge volume of people that simply flatly refuse to go to work. And the lobby groups who campaign that it's not safe and the government should continue the furlough support scheme etc.
The ironic thing is though, that the region that is unequivocally getting the most screwed by this is London. People, including me, are not getting on trains to go in, therefore are not buying lunch, using the local services & certainly not buying pints before venturing back out home. And yet, this spot is also home to all the pro-union, "liberal thinking", refugee sympathising, socialist Corbyn voting folks. But all they seem to see, is that large corporations are the one's who suffer. It's only a few billionaires / landlords / shareholders feeling the pinch, nothing to worry about.
But they are completely and utterly blind to the fact that little / no commuters means significant less work for transport, rail, cleaners, security, sandwich makers, bar staff ... Large successful companies work their way around these things, they always have (except for Lehman) and always will. One of the first things to go is ... cheap Labour.
So what the Corbyn fans are pushing for ... ultimately hurts the people they claim they are trying to protect, the most. It's retarded.
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Caerphilly the first Welsh region to go under Local Lockdown.
Starts at 6pm today (08Sep20).
It was like the biggest snowstorm, Black Friday and the January sales all wrapped up in to one when it was announced yesterday.
Shops stripped bare with little to no social distancing.
And we don't have to wear masks in shops in Wales.
Well played Welsh Government you fucking muppets.
Although I can't proved this - but neither can the Welsh Government disprove it - but I suspect that there are less people with COVID-19 today with the testing procedures and figures than had it in March, April, May, and June when there was little to no testing.
And as we've seen in other UK Local Lockdowns there has been no increase in hospitalisation and/or deaths.
An absolute farce.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Although I can't proved this - but neither can the Welsh Government disprove it - but I suspect that there are less people with COVID-19 today with the testing procedures and figures than had it in March, April, May, and June when there was little to no testing.
Here is your proof:
And as we've seen in other UK Local Lockdowns there has been no increase in hospitalisation and/or deaths.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Although I can't proved this - but neither can the Welsh Government disprove it - but I suspect that there are less people with COVID-19 today with the testing procedures and figures than had it in March, April, May, and June when there was little to no testing.
Here is your proof:
And as we've seen in other UK Local Lockdowns there has been no increase in hospitalisation and/or deaths.
It's so frustrating
My primary and secondary revenue streams have been fucked by COVID-19 and my missus who works in the neighbouring area to Caerphilly will most certainly be made redundant if RCT goes in to Local Lockdown and either her venue closes - Royal Mint Experience - or people outside of RCT can't visit.
Wales is on the fast track to being fucked.
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@MiketheSnow Isn't it more in the nature of self 'abuse'?!
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Isn't it more in the nature of self 'abuse'?!
Caerphilly gone to Local Lockdown based on a ridiculously small increase in cases and no deaths.
Turns out half are from three lads who went to Ibiza (legally), caught it out there without knowing, returned home and went about their lives because there was no quarantine and no test on return to the UK.
Then the Welsh Government have the audacity to blame them and other young people for spreading it while still keeping the schools open.
Inconsistent