Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This is from the official statement:
Ultimately, our goal needs to be managing this cluster from Level Two as soon as we feel confident we can do that. That means feeling confident we have the perimeter of the cluster well understood and defined, and are not seeing too many cases cropping up that we haven’t found through contact tracing. Based on the advice of the Director General, we believe that confidence can be built over the course of this week.
That is why, the Director General has recommended to Cabinet, and Cabinet has agreed to apply a short extension of Level Three restrictions in Auckland until 11.59pm this Sunday 30 August.
You may recall we were due to lift restrictions on Wednesday. These extra 4 days are believed necessary to allow us to move down a level in Auckland, and stay down. We want both confidence, and certainty for everyone.
Such a waffly pile of shit statement.
I'd also like them to elaborate on why next time will be different, or if it won't be, then to be honest and tell us to get used to going up and down levels every time we get a case in the community.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Level 3 extended to Sunday 11:59pm, masks mandatory on public transport at level 2 and above. Hospo etc can open from Monday, but gatherings still limited to 10 except for funerals which are 50.
So level 2.5 then really? No team sports still....
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This is from the official statement:
Ultimately, our goal needs to be managing this cluster from Level Two as soon as we feel confident we can do that. That means feeling confident we have the perimeter of the cluster well understood and defined, and are not seeing too many cases cropping up that we haven’t found through contact tracing. Based on the advice of the Director General, we believe that confidence can be built over the course of this week.
That is why, the Director General has recommended to Cabinet, and Cabinet has agreed to apply a short extension of Level Three restrictions in Auckland until 11.59pm this Sunday 30 August.
You may recall we were due to lift restrictions on Wednesday. These extra 4 days are believed necessary to allow us to move down a level in Auckland, and stay down. We want both confidence, and certainty for everyone.
Such a waffly pile of shit statement.
I'd also like them to elaborate on why next time will be different, or if it won't be, then to be honest and tell us to get used to going up and down levels every time we get a case in the community.
She can give us no real world reason why 4 more days is so important. To be sure the latest cluster is contained? I call bullshit on that
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Hope they put more ink in the printer.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat Yep, I think this is yet another indicator of the eventual new strategy:
Aug 24, 2020 1:35 PM
RNZ LiveWhen we get another case, we should be able to manage it within an alert level 2 or 1 setting," Bloomfield said.
So why on earth can't we go into L2 now?
Because our nanny state Govt has decided we can't. And the obedient public just go along with it. and until the latter changes the Govt will continue to treat us like children
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat Yep, I think this is yet another indicator of the eventual new strategy:
Aug 24, 2020 1:35 PM
RNZ LiveWhen we get another case, we should be able to manage it within an alert level 2 or 1 setting," Bloomfield said.
So why on earth can't we go into L2 now?
Because our nanny state Govt has decided we can't. And the obedient public just go along with it
FINALLY, for once I can agree with you on something!!
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ffs massive pain in the arse if you're trying to sell your house and you were hoping to have some final open homes this weekend ahead of auction next week.. farking twats. what the hell is 4 days going to do. If you were around auckland at the weekend you'd know full well every fucker just ignored whatever we were supposed to be doing.
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@WillieTheWaiter is the same as coming out of L4 which fell a day before ANZAC Day which was a Friday IIRC, Govt likes to push things to the start of a working week, not these mid-week changes.
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There are solutions. Like
NZers to vote for a party that respects our right and freedoms (hopefully there is one) in the coming election. For example the right of a healthy law abiding citizen to go about their business without a Govt using any excuse to remove them. But if we collectively applaud as they are all removed. The future will get worse.
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Have you guys considered the possibility that the fact that you don't understand why the MoH has advised an extension of 4 days, may have more to do with poor reporting by the media and not so much with there not being good reasons? Or with the fact that only the main point of the MoH advice is communicated but not the details underlying it?
If they need a few more days of contact tracing to get a reasonable level of certainty that they've found all the contacts related to this cluster that they need to find and that no infections related to this cluster will pop up at unexpected places, then there's likely an operational need for that. What's so hard to understand about that?
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Have you guys considered the possibility that the fact that you don't understand why the MoH has advised an extension of 4 days, may have more to do with poor reporting by the media and not so much with there not being good reasons? Or with the fact that only the main point of the MoH advice is communicated but not the details underlying it?
If they need a few more days of contact tracing to get a reasonable level of certainty that they've found all the contacts related to this cluster that they need to find and that no infections related to this cluster will pop up at unexpected places, then there's likely an operational need for that. What's so hard to understand about that?
Perfectly fine for you to believe it. But I've seen this show before. The cluster has been contained, and numbers have been low for ages. I'm all for safety where this virus is concerned, and my previous posts reflect that. But this is a decision made disregarding the needs of businesses in Auckland who are suffering, and the people that they serve who are suffering as a result. Maybe it's only 4 days. It could have been zero days if everyone was doing their jobs right
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Have you guys considered the possibility that the fact that you don't understand why the MoH has advised an extension of 4 days, may have more to do with poor reporting by the media and not so much with there not being good reasons? Or with the fact that only the main point of the MoH advice is communicated but not the details underlying it?
If they need a few more days of contact tracing to get a reasonable level of certainty that they've found all the contacts related to this cluster that they need to find and that no infections related to this cluster will pop up at unexpected places, then there's likely an operational need for that. What's so hard to understand about that?
If all that is actually the case, is it going to be necessary to do the same thing next time there is a case? 2+ more weeks of L3 for the affected region and L2 for all unaffected regions? If not, why not, what's different?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Have you guys considered the possibility that the fact that you don't understand why the MoH has advised an extension of 4 days, may have more to do with poor reporting by the media and not so much with there not being good reasons? Or with the fact that only the main point of the MoH advice is communicated but not the details underlying it?
If they need a few more days of contact tracing to get a reasonable level of certainty that they've found all the contacts related to this cluster that they need to find and that no infections related to this cluster will pop up at unexpected places, then there's likely an operational need for that. What's so hard to understand about that?
If all that is actually the case, is it going to be necessary to do the same thing next time there is a case? 2+ more weeks of L3 for the affected region and L2 for all unaffected regions? If not, why not, what's different?
They've already said they will be able to contain future leaks in L2. None of the spin makes sense
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@sparky said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The restrictions in NZ are disproportionate. The government needs to let most people get on with their lives.
We aren't talking about a UK European or USA situation are we. Less than a dozen cases per day and dropping, 2 or 3 in the ICU. Lets go back to work
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Have you guys considered the possibility that the fact that you don't understand why the MoH has advised an extension of 4 days, may have more to do with poor reporting by the media and not so much with there not being good reasons? Or with the fact that only the main point of the MoH advice is communicated but not the details underlying it?
If they need a few more days of contact tracing to get a reasonable level of certainty that they've found all the contacts related to this cluster that they need to find and that no infections related to this cluster will pop up at unexpected places, then there's likely an operational need for that. What's so hard to understand about that?
If all that is actually the case, is it going to be necessary to do the same thing next time there is a case? 2+ more weeks of L3 for the affected region and L2 for all unaffected regions? If not, why not, what's different?
They've already said they will be able to contain future leaks in L2. None of the spin makes sense
That's cause we're never going back to L1. Duh!
We can't risk them making themselves look even more incompetent by having another case get through one of the many holes at the border and spreading like this. At least, not before the election...
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I can kinda understand keeping Northland and Waikato at the same level as Auckland (although I think they could have dropped both a level and kept the borders tight) but the SI shouldnt be L2...
GIven next week, when Auckland drops to 2, the rest of NZ stay at 2 as well...
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The reasons made sense, and I live in Christchurch. Basically, you can't have Auckland at level 2 and everywhere else at level 1 at the same time because level 2 means no travel restrictions, which means Aucklanders travelling to mass gatherings.