Lance
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@WillieTheWaiter said in Lance:
@WillieTheWaiter
They injected EPO. Just like every other team, and pretty much every other professional sportsman.Not everyone dopes. Indeed I suspect the vast, vast majority of global, elite sportsmen never had and never, ever would.
Defend Armstrong if you want to but please don't slander the vast majority of clean athletes.
Call me cynical, but I'd suggest it's the opposite.
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@Bones probably right. Though 1st impressions of Whitianga are good! Sweet little town, great beach. Quality beach hotel, heated pool, tennis court, scooters for the kids, and I can supervise all of the above from my balcony with a wine in hand . What more could you want?
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@nzzp I've read John Daniell's book and knew its author a bit at one point.
Doping in Rugby is not uncommon and has been rife in top French amateur and South African schoolboy Rugby. This oa a few years old but worth reading.
Doping in rugby: an exclusive Rugby World investigation
In the April 2014 edition of Rugby World magazine, we ran the following longread investigation into the state of doping in rugby....
That said, at the elite level, it is much rarer and doesn't make the difference as much as good technique and nutrition.
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That said, at the elite level, it is much rarer and doesn't make the difference as much as good technique and nutrition.
Cheers.
Frankly, the quote is spot on - it's rare, because the improvement isn't massive comapred to technique and skill. Therefore the risk/reward is quite different. Otherwise I reckon it'd be rife (I'm cynical as all hell these days)
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That said, at the elite level, it is much rarer and doesn't make the difference as much as good technique and nutrition.
yeah, there is absolutely no place in elite rugby for being a fraction quicker, or a fraction more powerful, or to be able to sustain effort for a fraction longer.
derp
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@mariner4life said in Lance:
That said, at the elite level, it is much rarer and doesn't make the difference as much as good technique and nutrition.
yeah, there is absolutely no place in elite rugby for being a fraction quicker, or a fraction more powerful, or to be able to sustain effort for a fraction longer.
derp
you're being deliberately obtuse. In Rugby, being slightly faster is useful, but you can have a great career (Conrad Smith) wihtout being a physical specimen. In athletics, though, strength, or speed is the win or loss, it's everything.
That's why the risk/reward for Rugby is different, and I don' think doping is as pervasive
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@mariner4life said in Lance:
derp
I don't know what derp means. Am I not doing the internet correctly?
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@mariner4life said in Lance:
That said, at the elite level, it is much rarer and doesn't make the difference as much as good technique and nutrition.
yeah, there is absolutely no place in elite rugby for being a fraction quicker, or a fraction more powerful, or to be able to sustain effort for a fraction longer.
derp
you're being deliberately obtuse. In Rugby, being slightly faster is useful, but you can have a great career (Conrad Smith) wihtout being a physical specimen. In athletics, though, strength, or speed is the win or loss, it's everything.
That's why the risk/reward for Rugby is different, and I don' think doping is as pervasive
Conrad Smith had to put on a fair amount of weight to make it though.
There is such a broad range of PEDs that do different things, and the difference at the top level between making and not is so light, that i have no doubt it's rife. And in my mind it would be naive to think it is.
Do i think it's like cycling where everyone is on it just to compete? No. But a couple of the comments here smack of "oh, rugby is different and above such things"
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@nzzp I've read John Daniell's book and knew its author a bit at one point.
Doping in Rugby is not uncommon and has been rife in top French amateur and South African schoolboy Rugby. This oa a few years old but worth reading.
Doping in rugby: an exclusive Rugby World investigation
In the April 2014 edition of Rugby World magazine, we ran the following longread investigation into the state of doping in rugby....
That said, at the elite level, it is much rarer and doesn't make the difference as much as good technique and nutrition.
Eat clen, tren hard.
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@mariner4life said in Lance:
That said, at the elite level, it is much rarer and doesn't make the difference as much as good technique and nutrition.
yeah, there is absolutely no place in elite rugby for being a fraction quicker, or a fraction more powerful, or to be able to sustain effort for a fraction longer.
derp
Lol, true. Isn't the point that a sport like rugby is more dynamic and multi-faceted than a sport like sprinting or cycling? So, whereas in sprinting and cycling, doping can significantly improve overall performance by improving the major facet of what makes a good performance, in rugby, or other ball and team sports, doping doesn't make you catch and pass better or improve your spatial awareness and decision-making.
I'm not saying it won't improve physical output for a rugby player - it will almost certainly will. But it won't turn James Marshall into Dan Carter.
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@mariner4life said in Lance:
@mariner4life said in Lance:
That said, at the elite level, it is much rarer and doesn't make the difference as much as good technique and nutrition.
yeah, there is absolutely no place in elite rugby for being a fraction quicker, or a fraction more powerful, or to be able to sustain effort for a fraction longer.
derp
you're being deliberately obtuse. In Rugby, being slightly faster is useful, but you can have a great career (Conrad Smith) wihtout being a physical specimen. In athletics, though, strength, or speed is the win or loss, it's everything.
That's why the risk/reward for Rugby is different, and I don' think doping is as pervasive
Conrad Smith had to put on a fair amount of weight to make it though.
There is such a broad range of PEDs that do different things, and the difference at the top level between making and not is so light, that i have no doubt it's rife. And in my mind it would be naive to think it is.
Do i think it's like cycling where everyone is on it just to compete? No. But a couple of the comments here smack of "oh, rugby is different and above such things"
Based upon stories of which people have been caught, and where, together with my own anecdotel evidence, I think it's mainly an issue at the level just below pro or semi-pro rugby, where there are heaps of guys on the cusp of making it and where the testing regimes are less rigorous.
Once you've made that the pro grade, I just don't see there being the kind of incentive to dope, particularly when the clubs will be running their own nutrition and supplement programs, some of which might operate in the grey areas and through which you can get good gains without taking the unnecessary risk.
EDIT: I'm not saying that there aren't some big-time pros who are doping - i'm vervain there are - i just see this being more of a problem at the lower levels
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Watched Lance. I find it and him riveting. It's also great gearing so many of the other riders being open and honest.
He was a prick no doubt, but he sure is charismatic. Lots of traits shared by MJ (e.g. inventing personal battles with people to get himself fired up), doping (hopefully) aside.
Can't wait for the final episode.
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@voodoo I tried to suss him out using my homemade psychological analysis and the best I could come up with are all those same characteristics of all goats - proper goats like lance, Jordan, gretsky, hadlee, even Ritchie - they've just got to be different than you want them to be otherwise, no goatness.
You can't be driven to the max and be a good fluffybunny. I reckon
But Lance also strikes me as one of those blokes you don't want in your life, no matter the self esteem boost. A man with no remorse capabilities
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@Siam add Tiger, Schumacher plus a few others to that list too, these types are typically so focussed on thier own goals, if you are of the right mind, they will drag you up with them, but while they are on that train, they probably arent the most interesting or likeable of people, yet I think once they can stop being what they were, and start living a 'normal' life, they show more of thier personality
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@taniwharugby said in Lance:
@Siam add Tiger, Schumacher plus a few others to that list too, these types are typically so focussed on thier own goals, if you are of the right mind, they will drag you up with them, but while tthey are on that train, they probably arent the most interesting or likeable of people, yet I think once they can stop being what they were, and start living a 'normal' life, they show more of thier personality
Nick Faldo was a good example of that, by all accounts a boring unpleasant person whilst on his golfing quest but once he’d fucked up his Ryder Cup captaincy and properly retired he became a more human person.
Still a dull bugger though.
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So much capital built up to give people battling cancer hope.
And he threw it all away.
His book on defeating cancer was great. But it went straight into the bin when his cheating came out.
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