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Boast time...
Got really lucky when my wife and I moved home 3 and 1/2 years ago. We moved from Wahroonga in Sydney's upper north shore where the ADSL2+ was usually in the 8-9 Mbps range.
We moved into a newly built apartment in North Sydney. We have Fibre to the Premises (FTTP), it literally terminates in the spare bedroom wardrobe. Even better, when we moved, the local Telstra shop offered a boost to the highest speed for free, so the 100/40 and unlimited data.
We also got the base Foxtel package and IQ3 included for the low price of $100/month. The package we are on isn't even offered any more.
Swooped on that offer, immediately went out and purchased a 4K TV and have been loving life ever since.
I've done a number of tests over the years and our speed rarely gets below 95 Mbps, and quite often reached speeds over 100 Mbps.
Even with what seems like 90% of the Australian workforce now WFH, the speed hasn't been noticeably affected, even in peak hours. Very impressed. Averaging around 60 - 80 Mbps in peak.
The sad thing I know is that our experience with the NBN (and Telstra for that matter) is very rare and we are lucky. Most people rightly complain about it and have bad experiences. I've friends who have pulled their hair out and gone completely mad trying to deal with the NBN. Worse, a good mate had Telstra Cable, loved it and was getting amazing speeds. When NBN moved into his neighbourhood, he was forced to move and now gets only 20 Mbps or less. He's so pissed!
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Man, Australia really is 3rd world when it comes to this kind of infrastructure isn't it. I consistently get >500mps even sitting outside in the garden with a cold beer.
Fibre roll out is the one example of successive NZ govt's getting their shit together to deliver a decent infrastructure project.
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@dogmeat said in Google wifi:
Man, Australia really is 3rd world when it comes to this kind of infrastructure isn't it. I consistently get >500mps even sitting outside in the garden with a cold beer.
Fibre roll out is the one example of successive NZ govt's getting their shit together to deliver a decent infrastructure project.
Yeah, we were pretty close on that. And then the conservatives got into power and had to follow through on their promise to fuck up everything the previous idiots proposed.
This is a clip from 2011. Mark Pesce is as a futurist, and while that title would ordinarily make my eyes roll I've engaged with him on a few platforms and he's more of a bloke with his finger on the pulse.
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@dogmeat said in Google wifi:
Man, Australia really is 3rd world when it comes to this kind of infrastructure isn't it. I consistently get >500mps even sitting outside in the garden with a cold beer.
Fibre roll out is the one example of successive NZ govt's getting their shit together to deliver a decent infrastructure project.
The benefit of seeing what Australia did and not making the same mistakes.
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@NTA said in Google wifi:
@dogmeat said in Google wifi:
Man, Australia really is 3rd world when it comes to this kind of infrastructure isn't it. I consistently get >500mps even sitting outside in the garden with a cold beer.
Fibre roll out is the one example of successive NZ govt's getting their shit together to deliver a decent infrastructure project.
Yeah, we were pretty close on that. And then the conservatives got into power and had to follow through on their promise to fuck up everything the previous idiots proposed.
This is a clip from 2011. Mark Pesce is as a futurist, and while that title would ordinarily make my eyes roll I've engaged with him on a few platforms and he's more of a bloke with his finger on the pulse.
The last comment by Turnbull in that vid is all that is needed to understand why you are falling behind.
“We should only be building what we need now and can currently see in the future”
The NZ approach was “let’s overbuild this on current needs as the possibilities are endless and currently not even imagined”
As one of you are aware I worked for Chorus during the fibre rollout and we openly said at work that we couldn’t even imagine what Gigafibre would be used for at capacity in households yet here we are 5 years after that with Gig being available in areas and snapped up by some people. -
@NTA First time I've seen that and damn, it made my blood boil.
That smug sanctimonious condescending prick!
Christ I'm angry at that and at least Mark has the last laugh as most Aussies are now crying over the Abbott and Turnbull mess they made of the NBN.
Christ I'm pissed!!!
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@RoninWC said in Google wifi:
@NTA First time I've seen that and damn, it made my blood boil.
That smug sanctimonious condescending prick!
Christ I'm angry at that and at least Mark has the last laugh as most Aussies are now crying over the Abbott and Turnbull mess they made of the NBN.
Christ I'm pissed!!!
The best bit is yet to come. It has to be sold. Won't recoup the money "invested" in the construction and a sizeable part of it has to be redone. Not just the technology mix either, but kilometres of fibre which wasn't laid correctly so is degrading.
The whole thing is a bipartisan cockup of magnificent proportions.
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@antipodean said in Google wifi:
@RoninWC said in Google wifi:
@NTA First time I've seen that and damn, it made my blood boil.
That smug sanctimonious condescending prick!
Christ I'm angry at that and at least Mark has the last laugh as most Aussies are now crying over the Abbott and Turnbull mess they made of the NBN.
Christ I'm pissed!!!
The best bit is yet to come. It has to be sold. Won't recoup the money "invested" in the construction and a sizeable part of it has to be redone. Not just the technology mix either, but kilometres of fibre which wasn't laid correctly so is degrading.
The whole thing is a bipartisan cockup of magnificent proportions.
And a failure by both parties to identify internet as a utility, not a service.
Really you have to look at the history of privatisation in this country and wonder why the fuck we haven't learned anything about mitigating the worst of it.
$50B for a FTTP network is looking like a bargain.
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@NTA said in Google wifi:
@antipodean said in Google wifi:
@RoninWC said in Google wifi:
@NTA First time I've seen that and damn, it made my blood boil.
That smug sanctimonious condescending prick!
Christ I'm angry at that and at least Mark has the last laugh as most Aussies are now crying over the Abbott and Turnbull mess they made of the NBN.
Christ I'm pissed!!!
The best bit is yet to come. It has to be sold. Won't recoup the money "invested" in the construction and a sizeable part of it has to be redone. Not just the technology mix either, but kilometres of fibre which wasn't laid correctly so is degrading.
The whole thing is a bipartisan cockup of magnificent proportions.
And a failure by both parties to identify internet as a utility, not a service.
Really you have to look at the history of privatisation in this country and wonder why the fuck we haven't learned anything about mitigating the worst of it.
$50B for a FTTP network is looking like a bargain.
It was never going to be only $50 billion and it was unnecessary given the market was already investing in building out infrastructure.
It was so obvious and this isn't even the benefit of hindsight:
- Don't merge Telecom.
- Don't sell the wholesale side of Telstra.
- Don't let the ACCC force Telstra to provide preferential access to competing ISPs.
- Don't think as a politician you know better how to build infrastructure.
- Don't try to keep it off the books by selling bonds, mandating a market return and legislating that it had to be sold.
- Don't come up with a hamfisted technology mix to attempt to redress the business case shortcomings.
A massive white elephant that will have to be redone at the end of it.
From a SMH article almost two years ago:
A strategic review commissioned by Turnbull revised the peak funding requirement of the FTTP model to $72.6 billion (which was probably still conservative) and estimated the MTM approach would require peak funding of $41 billion and deliver an IRR of between 3.1 per cent and 5.3 per cent.
As the roll-out has continued, the peak funding requirement has been pushed up to $49 billion and the estimated IRR range down to between 3.2 per cent and 3.7 per cent. Even at the original 7 per cent, NBN CO would have been generating a return well below its weighted average cost of capital – destroying taxpayer value in the process.
So, the simple conclusion is that, in whatever form it was built, the NBN was never a commercially economic business.
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@Crucial said in Google wifi:
I have simply cabled one of them into the crappy isp provided modem/router.
I think with the method you are looking at you will need another compatible station to be the slave. I looked at that method years ago and if you are happy administrating and troubleshooting it will probably fine. It’s the way large buildings have been done for ages and you can probably pick up a unit second hand.
The advantage with an off the shelf setup is that you can easily control from an app if you need to and you can add extra mesh units (like the small disc ones) into the system if required.
Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.I picked this up on your recommendation as I wanted better coverage now I'm working from home a lot, and some rooms had a dodgy signal. Didn't want to fork out for Google WiFi!
It's fantastic thank you! I wired it straight into the Fibre ONT on the wall so ditched the dodgy old router that 2 Degrees gave me. That immediately boosted my speeds from an average of 40/20 to 100/20 which is crazy. Not sure if that was due to the old router or a dodgy cable but it's made a monumental difference.
Was very easy to set up as well, and the app is nice.
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@No-Quarter said in Google wifi:
@Crucial said in Google wifi:
I have simply cabled one of them into the crappy isp provided modem/router.
I think with the method you are looking at you will need another compatible station to be the slave. I looked at that method years ago and if you are happy administrating and troubleshooting it will probably fine. It’s the way large buildings have been done for ages and you can probably pick up a unit second hand.
The advantage with an off the shelf setup is that you can easily control from an app if you need to and you can add extra mesh units (like the small disc ones) into the system if required.
Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.I picked this up on your recommendation as I wanted better coverage now I'm working from home a lot, and some rooms had a dodgy signal. Didn't want to fork out for Google WiFi!
It's fantastic thank you! I wired it straight into the Fibre ONT on the wall so ditched the dodgy old router that 2 Degrees gave me. That immediately boosted my speeds from an average of 40/20 to 100/20 which is crazy. Not sure if that was due to the old router or a dodgy cable but it's made a monumental difference.
Was very easy to set up as well, and the app is nice.
I had similar. The ISP supplied wifi units generally have shit range at 5Ghz meaning that you tend to hook into the 2.4 which is slower.
Happy that you've had a good result. Plenty of people moan about supposed shit internet when it is their home equipment that is doing the choking.
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@Crucial said in Google wifi:
@No-Quarter said in Google wifi:
@Crucial said in Google wifi:
I have simply cabled one of them into the crappy isp provided modem/router.
I think with the method you are looking at you will need another compatible station to be the slave. I looked at that method years ago and if you are happy administrating and troubleshooting it will probably fine. It’s the way large buildings have been done for ages and you can probably pick up a unit second hand.
The advantage with an off the shelf setup is that you can easily control from an app if you need to and you can add extra mesh units (like the small disc ones) into the system if required.
Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.I picked this up on your recommendation as I wanted better coverage now I'm working from home a lot, and some rooms had a dodgy signal. Didn't want to fork out for Google WiFi!
It's fantastic thank you! I wired it straight into the Fibre ONT on the wall so ditched the dodgy old router that 2 Degrees gave me. That immediately boosted my speeds from an average of 40/20 to 100/20 which is crazy. Not sure if that was due to the old router or a dodgy cable but it's made a monumental difference.
Was very easy to set up as well, and the app is nice.
I had similar. The ISP supplied wifi units generally have shit range at 5Ghz meaning that you tend to hook into the 2.4 which is slower.
Happy that you've had a good result. Plenty of people moan about supposed shit internet when it is their home equipment that is doing the choking.
Fuck it, I'm going to pull the trigger on this as well. Kids are murdering my bandwidth.
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Having to reset my router most mornings at the moment. And with the online learning meetings, youtube, xbox, work meetings on top of the normal devices (iPhones, iPads, Laptops, etc) my setup is under strain.
Add in concrete floors, multiple stories, and spotty 5Ghz deadzones, its been long overdue an upgrade. I tried a cheap extender as a stopgap, and it improved things but not enough.
Like the look of those parental controls as well.
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@Kirwan said in Google wifi:
Having to reset my router most mornings at the moment. And with the online learning meetings, youtube, xbox, work meetings on top of the normal devices (iPhones, iPads, Laptops, etc) my setup is under strain.
Add in concrete floors, multiple stories, and spotty 5Ghz deadzones, its been long overdue an upgrade. I tried a cheap extender as a stopgap, and it improved things but not enough.
Like the look of those parental controls as well.
When you upgrade and you let us know what you do?
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@Hooroo Sure, but I'm just following Crucial's advice, he's the expert.
I've had my eye on the mesh network solution for a while to get rid of the deadspots. Kids are getting to the age that I want more options for parental controls as well to automate downtime, particuarly at night.
And I spend a lot of time on VOIP calls, so that has to be rock solid regardless of what the kids are doing. And in the current circumstance I don't want to take anything away from them, and in some cases it's necessary anyway (eg my daughter had a music lesson online today)
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@Kirwan the VOIP calls is what pushed me to get it. I set myself up a nice quiet corner of the house for working but kept getting the robotic voice whenever I was on calls so had to keep running closer to the router.
I only got it for the increased coverage, the speed boost was an unexpected (big) bonus. Couldn't guarantee that would happen for everyone though.
Are you on fibre?
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@No-Quarter yeah on 1GB with Orcon, so should have plenty of bandwidth!
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Sorry to spam you, but about to upgrade with parental controls and wanted some feedback from people with these.
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How do the parental controls work - are they per device, or do people have a login to get onto WiFi and then limit it that way?
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What's the drill with Fibre connectivity and VOIP. We've got 1GB from Slingshot, and a VOIP phone -- can this replace our Slingshot modem, or do we wind up with the Slingshot modem hard wired to both the VOIP phone and the Deco?
Finally, would yo ulook at anything else or is this the good oil to buy. I'm particularly keen on the parental controls, but a better network futureproofs the house for when video gets streamed all over the place
cheers
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@nzzp said in Google wifi:
Sorry to spam you, but about to upgrade with parental controls and wanted some feedback from people with these.
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How do the parental controls work - are they per device, or do people have a login to get onto WiFi and then limit it that way?
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What's the drill with Fibre connectivity and VOIP. We've got 1GB from Slingshot, and a VOIP phone -- can this replace our Slingshot modem, or do we wind up with the Slingshot modem hard wired to both the VOIP phone and the Deco?
Finally, would yo ulook at anything else or is this the good oil to buy. I'm particularly keen on the parental controls, but a better network futureproofs the house for when video gets streamed all over the place
cheers
Best to check with ISP on how they manage VOIP phones. Usual install for Fibre has a separate 'phone' connection to the ONT. That should be a direct VOIP line.
I haven't used the parental controls but I believe that you set up various profiles in the network and assign them to devices e.g. one kids device could be on an under 8 profile and another on an under 16. You control what the profiles can access. You can also block certain sites individually.
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