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@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Virgil said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@R-L said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What the fuck is Boris doing?
Herd immunity is all very fine. But containment is important because too many people getting sick at the same time will overwhelm your health system. Doctors in Italy are being forced to choose who gets to live and who gets to die because there aren’t enough ventilators available, yet they appear to be encouraging the spread. History will judge if Boris’ gamble pays off
Put in the harshest terms they are sacrificing people now in order to save lives later. In theory Britain could be the first European country through the other side of this, risky af. But at this point no one can say what the best long term strategy will be.
It makes little sense mate. At the height, South Korea were getting almost 900 new cases a day. They are down to 74.
But the situation is fluid. Just googled a UK website to see what is being said. The government is discouraging mass gatherings etc, is that a strategic change or have I merely failed to read exactly what he said the first time? (Entirely possible)
Am. I right in believing S Korea was testing more though, we in the UK aren't testing all suspected cases anymore which will always make our numbers appear lower surely?
Tested like crazy. Not just lab tests, those laser point and shoot thermometers too. Someone I know went to Singapore really early on. She was getting thermo checked everywhere and suspicious people were being more closely checked
makes sense as the best way to go, not only helps identify those infected but if you come up as negative it puts your mind at ease. Which will help to a degree with the panic etc
I wonder if these work on people? Seems an easy blunt test to weed out obvious cases for further inspection
From what I understand even the ones used at airports have an extremely high failure rate. More for show.
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Virgil said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@R-L said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What the fuck is Boris doing?
Herd immunity is all very fine. But containment is important because too many people getting sick at the same time will overwhelm your health system. Doctors in Italy are being forced to choose who gets to live and who gets to die because there aren’t enough ventilators available, yet they appear to be encouraging the spread. History will judge if Boris’ gamble pays off
Put in the harshest terms they are sacrificing people now in order to save lives later. In theory Britain could be the first European country through the other side of this, risky af. But at this point no one can say what the best long term strategy will be.
It makes little sense mate. At the height, South Korea were getting almost 900 new cases a day. They are down to 74.
But the situation is fluid. Just googled a UK website to see what is being said. The government is discouraging mass gatherings etc, is that a strategic change or have I merely failed to read exactly what he said the first time? (Entirely possible)
Am. I right in believing S Korea was testing more though, we in the UK aren't testing all suspected cases anymore which will always make our numbers appear lower surely?
Tested like crazy. Not just lab tests, those laser point and shoot thermometers too. Someone I know went to Singapore really early on. She was getting thermo checked everywhere and suspicious people were being more closely checked
makes sense as the best way to go, not only helps identify those infected but if you come up as negative it puts your mind at ease. Which will help to a degree with the panic etc
I wonder if these work on people? Seems an easy blunt test to weed out obvious cases for further inspection
From what I understand even the ones used at airports have an extremely high failure rate. More for show.
I guess it might help increase awareness in people. Which is a worthwhile thing. There is no quick fix coming anytime soon. Its about everyone trying to do all the little things
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@R-L said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
You lot told me to vote for Boris
If you voted for JC your tax would currently be 90%.
Your choice.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What the fuck is Boris doing?
Herd immunity is all very fine. But containment is important because too many people getting sick at the same time will overwhelm your health system. Doctors in Italy are being forced to choose who gets to live and who gets to die because there aren’t enough ventilators available, yet they appear to be encouraging the spread. History will judge if Boris’ gamble pays off
You are a bit late for this view. He’s changed tack in quite a big way today.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What the fuck is Boris doing?
Herd immunity is all very fine. But containment is important because too many people getting sick at the same time will overwhelm your health system. Doctors in Italy are being forced to choose who gets to live and who gets to die because there aren’t enough ventilators available, yet they appear to be encouraging the spread. History will judge if Boris’ gamble pays off
You are a bit late for this view. He’s changed tack in quite a big way today.
Has he really though?
I saw some video with water and a bucket etc, that explained the UK approach and he seems to be following that. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback he may not have said it directly but everything has changed since 5pm today.
He is massively pro business so I don’t think he will ever order anything closed. But everybody seems to making the decisions now in-line with most of the planet.
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So for anyone following my family drama regarding this virus. My brother and his wife have just touched down in Auckland after the honeymoon from hell.
They left NZ on Thursday for Madrid, escaped there a less than a day before total lockdown, got to London Saturday night and thankfully following my advice rather than their agent booked the first available flight back to NZ via Dubai.
You kiwis will not be happy to hear that the plane had a lot of people on who aren't kiwis who were sick with some sort of a cold..oh and apparently really easy getting into NZ. Rest of their honeymoon will be in isolation.
In a weeks time they might just see this not so much as an unlucky honeymoon but really a very lucky bullet dodge.
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The issue with Boris plan is how to you properly isolate millions of elderly and vulnerable people when the majority of young people have it. Look at those images above outside the supermarket. Old people still need all their food and pills. Unless the govt can drop off food etc at their doors how do you expect them to fully isolate?
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@Rembrandt and that is the most concerning thing, the Govt claims to be doing this and that, trying to calm people down, yet, in reality they appear to be doing SFA and will end up creating further panic.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback he may not have said it directly but everything has changed since 5pm today.
He is massively pro business so I don’t think he will ever order anything closed. But everybody seems to making the decisions now in-line with most of the planet.
Yeah I get that, but I htought the whole idea is that he would make this switch eventually, but it was over timing?
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
The lack of sport is really alarming me. The Fern is very quiet, sports news has vanished
Surprisingly the number of unique IPs visiting is about the same. I expect that will drop of course..
But for the moment there's about the same number of eyeballs waiting to read something. It might be a good time to resurrect some old off topic threads
I wonder how some of the "A day in the life of..." articles have aged??
Doubt the Eddie Jones one has.
IIRC I came to the Fern via Google and the "Day in the Life of Clive Woodward" article.
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What the fuck is Boris doing?
Herd immunity is all very fine. But containment is important because too many people getting sick at the same time will overwhelm your health system. Doctors in Italy are being forced to choose who gets to live and who gets to die because there aren’t enough ventilators available, yet they appear to be encouraging the spread. History will judge if Boris’ gamble pays off
Put in the harshest terms they are sacrificing people now in order to save lives later. In theory Britain could be the first European country through the other side of this, risky af. But at this point no one can say what the best long term strategy will be.
Not really the point. IF the elderly did properly isolate, children at school and adults being in community wouldn't particularly be putting people at risk. And for many families, if children aren't at school, the elderly are back up plan, which is dynamite. And they know over a long period the elderly's self isolation will waver.
But if enough under 70s in the general population get the virus out of the way, at some point the risk for the elderly of not isolating acually falls.
So I don't think a plan to encourage herd immunity in the under 60s, where the risk of hospitalision is much smaller, is seen as sacrificing anyone.
Lots of deaths are inevitable, but if the peak can be flattened enough, the total who die will be very substantially reduced.
At least that's the theory!