2019 Rugby World Cup
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Cheers!
Hardly raining now and we are on the second bottle of wine. Plenty more though.
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@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It's like people don't think they haven't been in a war room losing sleep trying to make it work.
The die was cast once the tournament rules were set.
I'm not sure what contingency work they have been doing because every hypothetical contingency would have come back to "we have this very inflexible set of tournament rules - so we aren't in a position to move the day or venue of anything".
Serious contingency planning would have set out clearly what the minimum requirements were to get a game up in the event of an emergency (i.e. can it be played without a crowd, how far can teams charter/bus in on game day, does it require broadcast etc).
It sounds like they spent the first 12-24 hours spinning their wheels on this and even in the press conference the argument shifted from fan safety, to logistics, to intergrity of the competition - it wasn't entirely clear what element is the sticking point.
If they had such a plan before the tournament they would be able to sit at the press conference and say here are the five things we need to hold the game and this is the one that is the sticking point.
This is moot anyway without tournament regulations to force some flexibility.
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@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Read that they have insured for natural disaster but if they reschedule/relocate then they aren't covered. No idea if it's accurate but sounds plausible.
That would go someway to explaining why the tournament organizer seemed ambivalent about not insignificant refunds to rights holders given France/England was cancelled. That or he may not have slept in 48 hours.
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I expect they paid a pretty premium to cover cancellation in typhoon season, event cover can also cover relocation, so I expect that is why they wrote the rules the way they did, as that would have cost more.
Assume there will likely be some liability cover for legal costs to (Scotland)
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@gt12 said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Fuck all food at the Supermarket, so stopped at the convenie - no bread, water, milk. We are stocked up on Potato chips, wine, and instant donuts though, so let's hope that going to work.
The essentials
People are taking this very seriously (not me quite so much, but would do I know). My wife tells me that we were at level three evacuation (on 4 you have to leave) for the last typhoon, so we should expect to have to get in the car and have to bolt tomorrow...
Nothing said about the game in Iwate so far, but I'll be surprised if that one happens. Still, looks like it has slowed down, so might take a while to get here.
Isn't that a bad thing? Means the bad weather hangs around longer.
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@booboo on that link I posted above it looks to be slow moving, but by the same token looks to be a bit smaller.
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@rotated said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It's like people don't think they haven't been in a war room losing sleep trying to make it work.
The die was cast once the tournament rules were set.
I'm not sure what contingency work they have been doing because every hypothetical contingency would have come back to "we have this very inflexible set of tournament rules - so we aren't in a position to move the day or venue of anything".
Serious contingency planning would have set out clearly what the minimum requirements were to get a game up in the event of an emergency (i.e. can it be played without a crowd, how far can teams charter/bus in on game day, does it require broadcast etc).
It sounds like they spent the first 12-24 hours spinning their wheels on this and even in the press conference the argument shifted from fan safety, to logistics, to intergrity of the competition - it wasn't entirely clear what element is the sticking point.
If they had such a plan before the tournament they would be able to sit at the press conference and say here are the five things we need to hold the game and this is the one that is the sticking point.
This is moot anyway without tournament regulations to force some flexibility.
Maybe it wasn't just one?
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@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Read that they have insured for natural disaster but if they reschedule/relocate then they aren't covered. No idea if it's accurate but sounds plausible.
Sounds like a tinfoil hat theory from someone on twitter
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@taniwharugby @booboo You are both correct re typhoons as a general rule - they slow down as well as weaken as they go over cooler water (moving north in this case).
"General rule" is a loose term though. They can do all sorts of things that they shouldn't according to the computer models. -
@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@booboo on that link I posted above it looks to be slow moving, but by the same token looks to be a bit smaller.
Having lived a few summers in Qld you get used to following the cyclone warnings on BOM.gov.au.
Luckily we're far enough South (unlike @mariner4life ) so we've not been hit full on with a cyclone. Some Ex-TCs have got us bit wet and/or blustered, a couple have slid past, and a couple have veered away late. So very aware of your point @Snowy that they can be unpredictable.
However in terms of (un)predictability the Bureau do it really well, showing updated tracking maps every few hours, with previous, current and predicted intensities and locations at given times.
Can't seem to find the same detail on the JMA website. They have a tracking map but it's too big a scale to try and work out where it's likely to be when.
They don't seem to categorise the Typhoons as Cat 1-5 like TCs in this part of the world. But assume this is Cat 5 (weren't they talking about introducing a Cat 6?), but even if it is weakening to a Cat 4 that's still pretty damn strong.
And intensity isn't necessarily an indicator of likely damage. The most effect we've been subject to from a TC was Oswald (Straya Day floods 2013) and it was an Ex-TC which hardly made it to Cat 1 status.
But do agree with @Snowy about @gt12 's emergency preparedness planning.
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@booboo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
They don't seem to categorise the Typhoons as Cat 1-5 like TCs in this part of the world. But assume this is Cat 5
They do categorise but yeah it's a different system. Hong Kong have their own on a scale up to ten and not very intuitive (rank of storm is dependent on both location and wind strength - not just strength).
NASA give a category as per the US syatem on their website:
Some cool satellite images as well.
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
But do agree with @Snowy about @gt12 's emergency preparedness planning.
Weather lovely here but going to head off to the shops now - just in case.
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@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
Check out https://earth.nullschool.net
there's one big storm in the world right now, and it's right over the RWC. Ha ha ha ha ha, as they say... rotten luck.
@gt12 is this one really as big as they say - potentially the biggest in 60 years? If so, could explain the early cancellations and the inability to reschedule.
Also, I read somewhere they thought they could handle one rearrangement, but 3-4 was just not feasible. Makes sense to me; I'm gutted games got canned, but I totally get why
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@nzzp green circle is where eye of the storm was about 12 hours ago
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@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@nzzp green circle is where eye of the storm was about 12 hours ago
what's the red line? A yo momma joke waiting to happen
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@nzzp said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
Check out https://earth.nullschool.net
there's one big storm in the world right now, and it's right over the RWC. Ha ha ha ha ha, as they say... rotten luck.
@gt12 is this one really as big as they say - potentially the biggest in 60 years? If so, could explain the early cancellations and the inability to reschedule.
Also, I read somewhere they thought they could handle one rearrangement, but 3-4 was just not feasible. Makes sense to me; I'm gutted games got canned, but I totally get why
Stop that fucking sensible, balanced talk. This is the internet, for gawd's sake, show some respect
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