Bokke v Engerland Test 3
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@mikethesnow said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@rebound said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@mikethesnow Really??? How much weaker. Exact same pack bar for the hooker and some changes in the backs. Stop this myth of South Africa being screwed. They are a mid level team on par with Scotland
Who said they were screwed?
SA without Pollard and Le Roux starting is weaker.
That's irrefutable from where I'm writing.
Agreed and also agree with your point in re England with or without Farrell but this does not make a far weaker XV. To be fair if any coach/fan/one eyed Kiwi suggested that their team lost because one or two blokes weren't playing they'd be rightly laughed out of court.
England were without the Vunipolas, Joseph, Watson, Lawes, Cole, Hartley (both the last probably just as well, but...), so not the strongest side. Not that that is relevant but (again).
Just as an aside here is the SA side that played in DC and the side that played in Cape Town.
15 Curwin Bosch, 14 Travis Ismaiel, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 André Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Ivan van Zyl, 8 Dan du Preez, 7 Oupa Mohoje, 6 Kwagga Smith, 5 Pieter-Steph du Toit (Captain), 4 Jason Jenkins, 3 Wilco Louw, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 1 Ox Nché
W Gelant (Bulls); S Nkosi (Sharks), J Kriel (Bulls), A Esterhuizen (Sharks), A Dyantyi (Lions); E Jantjies (Lions), F de Klerk (Sale Sharks); T Mtawarira (Sharks), C Ralepelle (Sharks), F Malherbe (Stormers), RG Snyman (Bulls), F Mostert (Lions), S Kolisi (Stormers), PS du Toit (Stormers), D Vermeulen (Unattached).
Not really a good comparison.
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@catogrande said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@mikethesnow said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@rebound said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@mikethesnow Really??? How much weaker. Exact same pack bar for the hooker and some changes in the backs. Stop this myth of South Africa being screwed. They are a mid level team on par with Scotland
Who said they were screwed?
SA without Pollard and Le Roux starting is weaker.
That's irrefutable from where I'm writing.
Agreed and also agree with your point in re England with or without Farrell but this does not make a far weaker XV. To be fair if any coach/fan/one eyed Kiwi suggested that their team lost because one or two blokes weren't playing they'd be rightly laughed out of court.
England were without the Vunipolas, Joseph, Watson, Lawes, Cole, Hartley (both the last probably just as well, but...), so not the strongest side. Not that that is relevant but (again).
Just as an aside here is the SA side that played in DC and the side that played in Cape Town.
15 Curwin Bosch, 14 Travis Ismaiel, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 André Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Ivan van Zyl, 8 Dan du Preez, 7 Oupa Mohoje, 6 Kwagga Smith, 5 Pieter-Steph du Toit (Captain), 4 Jason Jenkins, 3 Wilco Louw, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 1 Ox Nché
W Gelant (Bulls); S Nkosi (Sharks), J Kriel (Bulls), A Esterhuizen (Sharks), A Dyantyi (Lions); E Jantjies (Lions), F de Klerk (Sale Sharks); T Mtawarira (Sharks), C Ralepelle (Sharks), F Malherbe (Stormers), RG Snyman (Bulls), F Mostert (Lions), S Kolisi (Stormers), PS du Toit (Stormers), D Vermeulen (Unattached).
Not really a good comparison.
England were without the Vunipolas only from the second test. And their replacements played as least as well if not better.
SA played the majority of the match without Pollard and Le Roux - the main SA playmakers in the previous tests - and their replacements played worse.
The SA DC is vastly inferior to the Test SA side and that's why Wales beat them.
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@mikethesnow Yeah the Vunipolas missing for the last test was sort of my point in that, yes SA were down two of their more important players (and that was about it), but so were England. So I don’t really buy that England only won ‘cos SA played a weaker XV. Of course it didn’t help them that Jantjies was dogshit, but that wasn’t the reason SA lost IMO. The side Wales played in DC was significantly inferior right across the park but in defence of your boys it was nowhere near a Wales first XV either. I don’t think anyone can read too much into that game really.
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Marler's performance in the 3rd test proved to me he should have started ahead of Vunipola anyway.
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@bovidae said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
Marler's performance in the 3rd test proved to me he should have started ahead of Vunipola anyway.
I'd agree, but there are not many that would have said that beforehand. Mako was the No1, No1 by a long shot going in to the tour. He was pretty poor in both the first and second tests though. Particularly discipline wise.
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@catogrande Maybe the imminent birth of first child was on his mind - he probably should have stayed home
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@mikethesnow really how much weaker. The pack where they lost the game was the same. Can't see what difference 2 flaky backs makes to the resulting this game
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@rebound said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@mikethesnow really how much weaker. The pack where they lost the game was the same. Can't see what difference 2 flaky backs makes to the resulting this game
Tautology?
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@booboo We all need someone to drop the ball so we can have another scrum, so be kind to the girls will you?
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@catogrande said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@booboo We all need someone to drop the ball so we can have another scrum, so be kind to the girls will you?
Someone has to keep your wives and girlfriends happy while you stand around the bar talking about how hard you pushed in the scrum.
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@crucial Surely they can get hairstyling and makeup tips elsewhere?
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@disgusted-of-tw said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@crucial Surely they can get hairstyling and makeup tips elsewhere?
It's the good good luvvin' they are after.
(It's us that ask for the hair and makeup tips during the pillowtalk)
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@crucial said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@disgusted-of-tw said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@crucial Surely they can get hairstyling and makeup tips elsewhere?
It's the good good luvvin' they are after.
(It's us that ask for the hair and makeup tips during the pillowtalk)
Nice try mate but you've been schooled.
