All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Owen Finegan! How the hell could you miss that colussus, one of the finest Aussie forwards to play the game
I didn't mention Melon, because he was the fluffiest of bunnies, truth be told. Let's not forget this is the guy who missed a Super Rugby finals series because he shoed the incumbent Wallaby hooker in the face.
Class niggle merchant, mind. Won a World Cup.
If he was playing today, all the fucking pansies here would be talking about him in the same vein as Hooper's headbutt, Mumm's elbow on poor widdle Brodie, and Moore's whinging.
Which leads me onto the big point: TSF hindsight is heavily tinged with gold when it comes to that Wallabies team/era.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Eales? Really? Great player, boring human. Can't see him being fun on the schooners. Be as bad as i imagine beers with Richie would be.
Beers? You're optimistic - reckon you'd be lucky to get one beer in. Some form of wine I assume, and a long discussion about managed funds and aviation or some shit.
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Greegs is a very private guy. Amiable, but guarded, much like he was as Wallabies skipper.
While I loved jeering any time he was in a Brumbies shirt, he was an all-time legend in gold (even if Whitaker was better than him two seasons straight mutter mutter)
Still gets a massive wrap from me for his post-RWC2003 losing speech. Big smile "Helluva game, wasn't it?"
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No doubt they had class players. Burke for instance was in my all time XV because he could seemingly do it all as a backline player. But I couldn't stand him and even mores so now as he's a rubbish writer and even worse commentator.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
No doubt they had class players. Burke for instance was in my all time XV because he could seemingly do it all as a backline player. But I couldn't stand him and even mores so now as he's a rubbish writer and even worse commentator.
His book was shit, too. "I let Mat Rogers have my #15 shirt for the good of the team and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
No doubt they had class players. Burke for instance was in my all time XV because he could seemingly do it all as a backline player. But I couldn't stand him and even mores so now as he's a rubbish writer and even worse commentator.
His book was shit, too. "I let Mat Rogers have my #15 shirt for the good of the team and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"
Up there with Justin Marshall ? Josh Kronfeld ? Or ( shudder ) Norm Hewitt?
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Anyone see one of the kicks to touch from the weekend hit Kearns on the sideline? Got a good cheer from the crowd...gotta say, he was walking about (by his own self) pre-game, and he has that arrogant smug swagger makes you want to give him a shoeing!
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@taniwharugby Someone said he caught it and I just figured the crowd cheered him for that. Your story makes more sense!!
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@canefan think he did catch it in a way, kinda hit in the chest I think, so he shoulda seen it coming.
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@taniwharugby Funny because one of my mates said it couldn't be Kearns, it must have been a back LOL
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Another great podcast by the Rugga Matrix team this week. TJ was a guest on this week's show with some insightful views as usual. They really gave it to Cheika as well which was nice to see. If anyone here is fed up of the whingeing and one sided reporting out of Australia, take a look at these guys for some balanced and constructive analysis.
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I was against the clown story but had to smile when I saw this
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Kimber (and a lot of people) seem to forget that Cheika DID acknowledge the ABs and how well they played that game. The fact that he didn't want to talk about 18 victories was part of some weird plan Cheika had to tie the bug from weeks ago.
Kimber also didn't mention the forward pack at all, which allowed Foley to do his thing. Its a failing of a lot of Aussie commentators.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Eales? Really? Great player, boring human. Can't see him being fun on the schooners. Be as bad as i imagine beers with Richie would be.
If you're getting on the sauce with Melon, you better pack your drinking shoes. and your gambling wallet.
So have heard from a couple of sources that Eales is actually an absolute riot on the piss. Can spin a yarn, and they get more and more interesting the later in the night you go with him. Apparently.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@akan004 The darker dude is an on to it guy, but the one with the punchable face just expressed Kafe's comments but said it a bit calmer.
I'll definitely watch them again, they even made TJ seem less annoying than usual.
I'm kinda sympathetic to both sides of the argument here so I was ok with his comments. The ruling was correct imo, but I felt it was the wrong one when I watched it live. Took me a day to change my mind after seeing a still of Julian Savea possibly being in close enough proximity to make the potential ankle tap. Generally speaking though, both these jokers are pretty fair and level headed.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@akan004 The darker dude is an on to it guy, but the one with the punchable face just expressed Kafe's comments but said it a bit calmer.
I'll definitely watch them again, they even made TJ seem less annoying than usual.
I'm kinda sympathetic to both sides of the argument here so I was ok with his comments. The ruling was correct imo, but I felt it was the wrong one when I watched it live. Took me a day to change my mind after seeing a still of Julian Savea possibly being in close enough proximity to make the potential ankle tap. Generally speaking though, both these jokers are pretty fair and level headed.
I've now had a chance to go back and watch the whole thing unfold as well. This time with the pause button at the ready through every angle. While I first thought it was a marginal call that entered the Veldsman lottery I now think he got the call bang on (as did Owens on the Coles non-try).
For starters if you look through all of this please turn the sound down. I had Marshall and Smith instantly reacting because neither had noticed it in real time so their last two minutes of waffling was redundant. They were never going to change their mind unless they witnessed DHP pull a switchblade out his pocket. I can only imagine what Kearns and Kafer were like.
Unlike that Pfitzy guy on GAGR I'm not going to take selective screenshots that only paint one picture while omitting the ones around it that paint a different one.Sequence of events as I see them:
- Phipps passes to Foley who has DHP outside him and Speight further out. Read is marking Foley, Savea marking DHP. Foley has noticed Speight in the clear, dummied slightly to DHP and stepped inside Read to make a clear break. Excellent play by Foley
- Read instantly turns, Savea takes slightly longer to notice and then turns himself to chase. DHP is on a collision course with Savea in trying to support Foley and bumps into him. Savea and DHP get slightly tangled but neither are looking at each other DHPs focus is on supporting Foley, Saveas focus on trying to turn and chase. To keep balance DHP raises an elbow at Savea and Savea does the same. Neither look to be playing at each other just trying to keep up and keep in play.
- At the same time Read is watching Foleys line which is angled toward the sideline and track him. Again eyes are only on Foley and at one moment Read, DHP and Savea are bouncing off each other with DHP doing a great job of forcing his way between them. Arms from all three players can be seen across each other at any precise moment. DHPs arm comes across Savea then Saveas arm comes up then DHP bounces over to Read and puts his other arm across Read who does the same back. All just three players converging into the same square metre and jostling. No problems with any of it by Law. It is all in the same vein as Foley on Coles later in the game.
- Foley is now drawing a defender and has a clear pass to Speight which he makes. At this moment DHP is slightly ahead of Speight and Savea is about level with him.
- From this moment on DHP runs a line directly toward Speight. He is already in a support position but is intentionally running a line to get in the way of Saveas chase. Savea is close enough to have a crack and has about 24 metres to catch up. As DHP gets close enough he raises his arm and pushes Savea off his stride.
Now here is the clincher to me. The moment DHP takes out Savea he decides it is job done, looks inside to the posts and starts to pull up. If he was running legit support as claimed why didn't he continue supporting?
Now all of this happen in a second or two. Everyone is working off instinct. The only reason I can see for DHP to run that angle was to impede Savea. He may have even got away with it if he had simply run into him but raising his elbow and pushing out is what convicted him. He ran a line to block a would be tackler who was a high risk of catching the ball carrier.
Yes, this happens a lot in games but to get away with it you need to be a bit more subtle than raising your elbow and pushing out.
The call was correct in my eyes.
