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    @mariner4life yep. Fuels division.

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    @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

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    what the hell is the point of this graphic?

    Labour identity politics. They are currently in the process of splitting everything up by your ehtnic group (going to be a DHB only for Maori, 3 Waters will be in partnership with Maori, etc etc)

    This graph will allow them to point at Maori vaccination rates and say the current system is racist, so we need to wait until all groups are 90/95% vaccinated to protect them. And be kind.

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    @snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.

    Yep, they have to make the application. Hope for your sake that they are doing a good job of it because as far as I can tell they should be able to get the paperwork if they really want to.
    As for the boundaries. In your situation absolutely stupid. But like most rules if you want them to be uncomplicated they are often a catch all.
    Hope your digger operators feel that they have enough incentive to get the paperwork and get through for you. Maybe when their next loan payments are due?

    I doubt this company has debt. I don't employ that sort of people but they do seem to be short staffed because the government won't let people across imaginary lines.

    They could join a gang?

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    @snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.

    A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.

    Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.

    I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?

    I have asked but they got stopped and sent back. So the whole exemption thing now.

    downvote

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  • RE: Coronavirus - New Zealand

    @snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.

    A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.

    Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.

    I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?

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    @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @kirwan and there will be losses of staff form Health & Education with the mandates, however, I dont think these people will be able to flee to Aus anymore?

    Think of no L4, 1 billion this week 'saved' use that to get trained staff to NZ.

    Yep, if you are going to spend 1 billion dollars friviously, spend on it on our health system. Will have benefits for after the pandemic.

    As for the job losses from the madates, that does butt up against my values of personal responsibility and freedom. But I can't help thinking that people leaving in health care that refuse vaccines is a good thing, because how good at their job can they be if they don't udnerstand 3rd form science?

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    @booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @mariner4life I Mean they could throw a couple of billion at Health, that would be the equivalent of 2 weeks in L4...but getting the equipment and trained personell in the same period, or even a few months...

    I think the best we can hope is we keep ticking along with cases coming in as they are, but not spiralling out of control...

    In some ways, I guess NZ is in a better position than most other countries right now with the level of vaccination compared to when other countries got Delta outbreaks, so hopefully that will mitigate the rapid spread and hospitalisation somewhat.

    Equipment was probably doable, if started in March 2020.

    Staff?

    Poach from overseas, fast track candidates with experience, use junior doctors. Handle a peak while you train for a more permanent approach.

    There has to be a will to do something. These guys won’t even pay the nurses we have a decent rate and we lose them to Oz.

    Put the pay up and use supply and demand.

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    @godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @godder pretty damning that after 18 months there has been no real increase in ICU capacity.

    I see the aussies have been poaching nurses from other countries. A good short term measure we could have done while we put resources into training more ICU staff.

    This, and the botched vaccine rollout, is two main things a government can do handle a pandemic that they have fucked up.

    The money was available for DHBs, they just didn't spend it - in the budget documents (see page 132) there is $37,195,000 carried forward from 2019/20 to 2020/21 for purchasing additional ventilated and non-ventilated ICU capacity.

    Fuck knows why the DHBs didn't spend it, but they can't legally be forced to, and even if DHBs agree to something, if they later renege, governmental options are limited. No wonder they are being given the boot. Also, staffing of hospitals is a DHB responsibility, so again, they can be offered money, but can't be made to spend it.

    There's still a question to be answered here though - if ICU capacity is significantly expanded, what services are being removed to make room for them? ICU takes up a lot of space in a hospital, and it's not just a matter of squeezing an extra bed or two into current wards - this is the equivalent of adding a whole new ward to a full space. It's not like hospitals actually have spare wards or services that could easily be permanently relocated because usually that was done years ago because it was cheaper than building a new hospital. What ward is being removed?

    Nothing here is an unsolvable problem. Governments can act quickly when they want to, temporary powers to create a centralised pandemic hospital for example.

    Plan to run it separately for the duration of the crisis and merge it back into the system over time. Field hospitals from the army, am sure others will come up other ideas too. Think outside the box to staff it.

    This is either an emergency or it isn’t.

    When this started 18 freaking months ago, the idea was to avoid overwhelming hospital capacity. Somewhere during that first lockdown they decided to switch to eliminating instead and this seems to have stopped any effort into increasing our capacity.

    To be honest, your post sounds like excuse making. We have been failed.

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